This is a continuation of the deposition of Vice-Admiral William Usborne Moore (bottom right photo), as explained and recorded in my blog of December 16.
Admiral Moore, before the break, you testified about much of your research in England and started to tell us about your research in America. I understand you made three trips to the United States, beginning in late 1904 and continuing until 1912. Let’s continue with that.
“[Yes.] I had seen every phenomenon worth seeing in England. I had read every book worth reading on the subject of spiritism, and a good deal of trash, including The Confessions of a Medium, which bears internal evidence of being written by an anti-spiritualist, and which, though pure fiction, has been put forward as a true narrative. I knew that, owing to our unfortunate climate, it was useless to pursue my inquiries further in [England] and I resolved to return to America to complete my study in December 1908. This time I determined to go inland, where I was wholly unknown, and I spent two and a half months in Rochester, New York, Toledo, Ohio, Detroit, Michigan, and Chicago, Illinois. The evidence I obtained in these cities convinced me that I had been in direct communication with Iola, and with many relatives and friends through her influence, by the mediumship of professional and non-professional psychics.”
As I recall, Iola (top left photo) was a deceased relative of yours, but you gave her a pseudonym for family privacy purposes. What phenomena did you observe?
“[Correct], but she adopted the name herself to avoid the unpleasant complications that may arise as to her identity among those of her friends and relatives who are not educated in spiritism….The phenomena consisted of automatic mirror-writing, materialization, direct writings, pictures precipitated by invisible intelligences, and the direct voice. The correlation of the evidence through different psychics who did not know one another, and in some cases had not even heard of one another, was striking, and – to me – conclusive of the genuineness of each. I left the United States with an impression, not likely to be easily removed, that there was only one alternative to the spiritistic hypothesis – that of the continual presence of personating demons, able to read every thought of mortals, and to construct at will dramatic situations that answered every doubt and uncertainty in the mind of an investigator. This is the Roman Catholic doctrine. I reject it, not only because of its intrinsic improbability, but on account of the consideration of many incidents of a strictly private nature that cannot be here related.”
You reported on some very interesting phenomena with Joseph B. Jonson of Toledo, Ohio in 1909. Please tell us about that.
Moore testified that Jonson (upper right photo) was a powerful-looking man of 55, well educated, and of sober habits. The amount of light during his seances was always sufficient to see him outside the cabinet and that every precaution was taken to avoid confederates or any kind of fraud. Voices came via the direct voice, sometimes through a trumpet and other times without the amplification of a trumpet. Before his investigation of Jonson, Moore conferred with his friend, Homer Taylor Yaryan, who had served as chief of the secret service police under the presidency of Ulysses S Grant. Yaryan had observed Jonson for years, even in Yaryan’s own house, and was certain that the phenomena were genuine. Jonson’s primary control was an Indian named Grayfeather, whose voice was not the same as Jonson’s. Moore further testified about his observations on January 6, 1909:
“Including some repetitions, fifteen or sixteen materialized forms emerged from the cabinet and conversed with their friends while Jonson was out of it; six or eight came after Grayfeather had taken him inside – all of these in addition to the familiar spirits, the habitués of the cabinet. One of the visitors was a nun, who had a very spiritual countenance and wore a bright silver cross about four inches long. She came especially for Mr. Z., but, at the request of the latter lady, she walked well into the light in order that I should be able to see her plainly. The effort was too much for her, and she doubled up, instead of gradually descending into the floor, which is the usual method of disappearance. Each member of the circle was visited by at least two friends who were recognized. Two or three men came to me whom I was not able to identify properly, one making semaphore signs with his arms.” (Grayfeather explained to Moore that they were attempting to materialize without his permission and thus were turned out.)
Your records show another sitting with Jonson on January 16. Please tell us about that one.
“In some respects this séance was better than that of January 6, for more forms appeared, but I did not like it so much, as the light allowed by the spirits in the cabinet was much less, no doubt on account of the [atmospheric conditions]. About twenty-five separate personalities manifested, counting the repetitions, there were over forty materialisations or etherialisations. For my part, I only saw the faces of two clearly enough for recognition. These were Viola and Edna, the nun. Viola is a very lively girl of eighteen or nineteen, with long streaming hair; she touched my hand with hers. Edna came out four or five times, and gave me opportunities to see her face, dress, and cross quite plainly; Iola brought my father and mother. On one occasion, I went to the entrance of the cabinet, and saw two forms together, which I soon discovered were my parents, and the small form of Iola behind them.”
Very interesting, Admiral Moore. Please tell us about your private sitting of January 29.
“It was an interesting experiment and I was much surprised that it was so successful. Jonson passed into the trance state in about ten minutes. In less than five minutes later Iola rose slowly out of the floor in front of me, outside the cabinet, and passed in between the curtains, thus keeping her promise of January 25. I went into the opening with Mrs. Jonson, who invariably accompanies a sitter—to lend additional power to the manifestations – and asked the spirit, ‘Did you make that inscription on the picture?’ A whisper came, ‘With the help of others.’ [Iola] then sank into the floor.”
Will you explain what you are referring to as the picture and the inscription?
Moore explained that between sittings with Jonson, he had visited the Bangs sisters of Chicago (lower left photo), known for their precipitated paintings of spirits. When a picture of Iola was precipitated, Moore said he gave up all doubts about her identity, as this was definitely the relative she claimed to be. There was no inscription on the painting when he saw it in Chicago, but it was there when he unpackaged it in Toledo.
Thank you for explaining that, Admiral Moore. Please continue by telling us more about that January 29 experiment.
“My father and mother materialized. In these there was no possibility of error. My father had a nose like the Iron Duke, and I saw him in good light three feet outside the cabinet; his prominent feature was clearly distinguishable. Three men came out whom I did not know, one said to be Mr. Marshall Fields, a wealthy merchant of Chicago, but as I never knew him nor heard of him before this evening, I cannot answer for his identity”
Moore went on to testify that Detective Yaryan had explained to him that they do not always recognize their friends every time by their features. At times, they see the face distinctly and at other times it is very vague, much depended on the conditions of the sitting, which varied considerably, often dictated by atmospheric conditions. Sometimes there was no phenomenon at all. Yaryan also pointed out that the Jonsons did not always know who would attend a sitting and therefore could not have pre-arranged for the spirits of their deceased relatives and friends to “materialize” for them. In addition, the Jonson would have required dozens of confederates of all sizes and shapes, including children, to be hiding in some part of their home, ready to sneak into their upstairs room and impersonate a deceased friend or loved one, all the while offering veridical information.
You reported an interesting séance on February 1, 1909, Please tell us about that one.
“Nineteen separate spirits manifested. Some of them reappeared twice or three times, one four times. I estimated that over forty forms actually appeared during the séance. Including the repetitions, ten were for me. Iola came first. I saw her profile plainly; the right eye was closed. She talked a little in whispers, saying she was ‘going with me.’ It was a good representation, the face a good likeness, and the height and dimensions of the figure was correct. She stopped at the entrance of the cabinet rather too long and dematerialized in an unnatural manner. During this séance, I saw several spirits dematerialize. Some descended into the floor slowly and, so to speak, naturally. It was possible to follow their heads with the eye until the shoulders were level with the carpet. Others doubled up before they dissipated, and a few fell over on one side…..My father and mother came together, the former wearing spectacles. Behind them, I could detect a third form, of the right height and size of Iola, but, as she was in the shadow of the cabinet, I was not able {to see her features}….One old relative appeared to me, whom I recognized. I kissed her, as I would when she was in the earth life, and she returned it; but the effect was too much for her, and she fell over on the side and vanished.”
I have heard that Jonson was accused of fraud. What do you say to that?
“It is hardly necessary for me to say that the Jonsons have been accused of fraud, like all other professional psychics, good, bad, and indifferent. I have never heard of an instance where a definite charge has been brought against them and been proved. All I know of are the usual slanders by other competing mediums, by well-intentioned friends of the sitters, and writing private and public, by authors of the arm-chair type. As Jonson sits outside the cabinet for a part of every séance, and his wife scarcely ever goes near him, the only question that can be raised by the most rabid skeptic is that of several confederates at each séance. I consider that this may be ignored, for the following reasons: They could not enter from below or from outside the house without observation, nor could they come by the staircase without passing the members of the circle; in cases when the sitters were over nine in number, they would have to go through the circle…[Moreover,] the expense and the difficulty of finding the histrionic capacity in the neighborhood forbid such an explanation of the supernormal phenomena that take place at these séances.”
Thank you, Admiral. Any final thought before we recess again.
“I do not deny that communication with the spirit world is full of perplexities. Answers to questions put to spirits are often contradictory and apparently misleading. Generally, this is owing to the difficulty experienced in describing to beings who are functioning in three dimensions what is taking place in a region inhabited by those who are functioning in four or more. But the essential points are gained quickly by the earnest investigator; he soon learns that he is destined to live again; that immortality is a fact; that he can commune without much difficulty with those whom the world calls dead….The difficulty of our spirit visitors in communicating at all must be enormous. We ply them with questions, the majority of which they are not able to answer because they have not yet reached the higher spheres; they make the attempt by stating what they have heard from others, and are, doubtless, often incorrect…[Further,] the higher spirits are hampered by the personality of the medium. To us, it is highly important that the medium should be an ignorant person, unable to form any theories for herself, so that we shall receive the undiluted message. But here is another side to the question. When the psychic is densely ignorant it appears to be impossible, at times, for the spirit to get through any lofty ideas. I have watched this often.”
The deposition of Admiral Moore will continue on January 13.
Michael Tymn is the author of The Afterlife Revealed: What Happens After We Die, Resurrecting Leonora Piper: How Science Discovered the Afterlife, and Dead Men Talking: Afterlife Communication from World War I.
His latest book, No One Really Dies: 25 Reasons to Believe in an Afterlife is published by White Crow books.
Mike,
Another fun blog. I enjoy this format
Mike S
What strikes me is that excellent information such as this has been available for many decades and yet the will to disbelieve and/or ignore still prevails. Very disappointing.
I have created a collection of books in Google Notebook LM that contain descriptions of the afterlife. With this Google AI tool, you can query and converse with the spirits. Ask any question of interest, such as “do discarnate spirits engage in sporting activities, games, recreation and play?”
Here’s the list thus far:
Beecher’s Spirit World Explained and My Present Religion.
Beyond the Bourn – A fascinating 19th century NDE
Claude’s books (first and second)
Experiences in Spirit (accounts by various individuals through Cora L.V. Richmond)
Gone West: Three Narratives of After-Death Experiences
Heaven and Earth – Anthony Borgia
Life After Death – Neville Randall
Life Beyond Death With Evidence – Charles Drayton Thomas
Life In The World Unseen – A. Borgia
More About Life In The World Unseen – A. Borgia
My Experiences While Out of the Body – C. L. V. Richmond
My Travels in the Spirit World – Caroline D. Larsen
The Nature of Spiritual Existence – C. L. V. Richmond
The Unobstructed Universe – Stewart E. White
For access send an email to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) and I will grant the Google account associated with that email access to the Notebook, where you will be able to query the sources with questions about the afterlife state.
In his book “Riddles of the Sphinx”, philosopher F.C.S. Schiller in the chapter on immortality remarked: “Nothing, indeed, presents a more curious study in human psychology than the reckless violence with which both the adherents and the opponents of traditional doctrines concerning man’s future have resented any attempts to approach the subject in the serious spirit of scientific philosophy.” As to believers in the hereafter, Schiller adds “its effect upon their conduct is disproportionately small. Insanity due to the fear of Hell contributes only a comparatively small quota to our madhouses. The hope of Heaven does not inspire to superhuman virtue.” Keeping thought about the afterlife as an uncertain matter of faith “is extremely convenient [and] to leave the future life in the realm of vague speculation, to be believed when desired, and to be disregarded when belief would suggest unpleasant reflections, in order to avoid regarding it as a fact to be steadily and consistently kept in sight. For a fact is something which must be faced, even though it may be very unpleasant to do so, but an opinion may be manipulated so as to suit the exigencies of the occasion.”
As to the indifference of the mass of scientific minds towards this subject, Schiller adds: “We spend thousands of pounds on discovering the color of the mud at the bottom of the sea, and do not grudge even the lives of brave men in exploring the North Pole—although there is obviously not the remotest prospect of establishing, a trade in Manchester calicos with the Eskimos and polar bears—but we would not pay a penny, nor sacrifice the silliest scruple of a selfish reticence, to determine whether it is true that our dead do not pass wholly beyond our ken. And yet, with a tithe of the attention and study that has often been devoted to the most trivial and unworthy objects, the real nature of these “psychical” phenomena might have been explored—had it suited men to arrive at certainty on the subject.”
I am more sanguine about the prospect that scientific curiosity will eventually engage with this topic, as any serious inquiry into the nature of mind and consciousness will lead to a dead end without acknowledging the ultimate independence of mind from the body.
David,
I think James Hyslop would agree with Schiller regarding financial support for scientific studies related to the afterlife.
See Michael’s Oct 21, 2024 blog and my comment at Wed 23 Oct, 18:19. – AOD
Thanks for the list, David. To Schiller’s comments, I would add that of Dr. James Hyslop, who asked:
“Why is it so noble and respectable to find whence man came, and so suspicious and dishonorable to ask and ascertain whither he goes?”
Hi Michael,
I am currently reading Hyslop’s book, ” Life After Death: Problems of the Future Life and its Nature.” I have a couple of Hyslop’s other books to reread. Without a doubt, Hyslop was a brilliant writer who apparently spent most of his later years thinking about the afterlife. He was a man of two personas; one was the erudite academician and the other was a a normal man subject to common human foibles. He was a man of strong emotions when it can to his own views about the afterlife but was very vulnerable and could become argumentative with anyone who did not agree with his views. His association with Emily Grant Hutchings and Lola Viola Hays is an example of how he could be swayed by charming vivacious women, believing what they said about Pearl Curran without the evidence he demanded for his imprimatur. That, and his belief in Mrs. Chenoweth (Minnie Soule) as a trustworthy medium seemed to trigger his human emotions rather than his intellect. As you may know the SPR refuted everything Hyslop wrote about Pearl Curran, her husband John, Casper Yost and their publishing company. Samuel Clemens’s (Mark Twain) daughter made some public very negative comments about Hyslop concerning his acceptance of Hutchings’s book “Jap Herron” which Hutchings said was dictated by the spirit of Mark Twain through use of a Ouija board. Hyslop criticized the Ouija board in the Pearl Curran case as “silly” but accepted its use in the Hutchings case. Hyslop finally met with Pearl Curran a couple of times but apparently let the whole affair with Hutchings, Pearl Curran and Patience Worth drop off of his radar when most probably he realized he was wrong, but refused to publicly admit it. – AOD
Amos,
I know you had reservations about Hyslop because of his reservations about Patience Worth, which he expressed without ever observing her. Admiral Moore has some unkind words about Hyslop, pointing out that he wasn’t qualified to comment on physical mediumship because he didn’t witness any of it. Hyslop stuck with mental mediumship.
Mike
Bruce,
Like almost every other article or book about Pearl Curran, Tyrrell makes small errors, but not inconsequential, about the Pearl Curran case. First of all, Tyrrell’s examples are supposed to be about automatists, that is “automatic writing.” If he had personally looked into the Pearl Curran case he would know that Pearl Curran was not an automatic writer as usually thought of in spiritualistic circles and further on in his article, he provided evidence that Curran was not an automatic writer. That makes me question his intelligence and ability to comment about something he knows nothing about ( Now I am beginning to sound like Hyslop!) Curran did not go into a trance, did not lose consciousness, and no discarnate entity took control of her body, arm or hand. Curran repeatedly said that the Ouija board was “dead wood” and that she received dictation from Patience Worth in the form of visual images with an overriding voice interpretation sometimes by Patience Worth. This is almost identical to what Geraldine Cummins said about her receipt of dictation from the “spirit world” And additionally, Tyrrell said that Pearl Curran “was born of British parents.” which is absolutely incorrect but significant as an explanation of where Pearl Curran got her information about medieval and Victorian England.. Pearl Curran said her family had been in the United States “for ages.” Both of her parents and her grandparents were born in America.
These kinds of small errors are what frustrates me about the information that is available about Pearl Curran.
I am at a very low point in my journey with Pearl Curran and Patience Worth. It is very frustrating for me to try to get a book published when it is processed by twenty-something jackasses who know nothing about parapsychology, spiritism, spiritualism and the enormous history of spirit interactions with incarnate humans. They are more interested in following the accepted patterns of book-making, book covers, marketing and how they can get their cut of any money by selling various publishing “packages.” None of them I have been dealing with (six “project managers” at this point), have read the book or even seen it. They might as well be making a pizza without ever tasted one.
I know that most people like to read about apparitions, direct voices and other non-evidential reports of possible human interactions with the so-called spirit world, but I think that the Pearl Curran case is one that is more likely to provide real evidence of survival of human consciousness after death than reports of apparitions, dancing lights, self-playing accordions, direct voices, wax hands and feet, spirit photography, apports and other spooky manifestations of the spirit world, all of which can be faked or misreported. – AOD
Paul and Amos,
Paul – you may have missed a comment to you in the last article as it was close to changeover to this article.
Amos I am reading The Personality of Man G N M Tyrrell. I get to half way through and up comes Activities beyond the Threshold Chapter 16 Patience Worth and think of your discussions.
I recently helped out a person starting out on their spiritual understanding by talking about Gordon Smith. There was an excellent four part series at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVgD7rfdDtM which shows how mediums operate.
One of the fellow contributors is in video 2. I recently mentioned that should we all meet for coffee what would be the topic for our discussions? I would suggest Swarm Intelligence. The intelligence of a swarm of bees is separate from the intelligence of the individual. Has our group of contributors developed a swarm intelligence? What do swarms do that is different to the individual? Cooperation is one such element.
Some intelligent behaviours never observed in a single individual will soon emerge when several individuals begin cooperate or compete. The swarm can complete the tasks that a complex individual can do while having high robustness and flexibility and low cost.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/swarm-intelligence.
Thanks,
Bruce
Michael,
Max Long
https://maxfreedomlong.com/
I came across him in a reference to him in one of my searches.
https://archive.org/details/secretsciencebeh00long/page/n5/mode/2up
I would expect that you might have covered him in a blog as close to home. Dunne’s theory of precognition gets a mention.
I have had a breakthrough in my own research on the Myers/Gurney spirit team just before Christmas so exciting times.
Happy New Year,
Bruce
Bruce,
Thanks for the links about Long. I must confess that I have never heard of him or even of Huna. Although I have heard that Hawaii is a hotbed of spiritual activity, I haven’t found it. It may be limited to the Hawaiian community, which pretty much keeps to itself.
Look forward to hearing about your breakthrough on the Myers/Gurney matter.
Happy New Year to you and to all!