I viewed David Thompson but his guide William did not come through to speak on that occasion and David talked about mediumship, his own, and that of others in attendance.
I have experienced the unique work of full trance medium Andrew Overlee who has worked with his spirit family since a young boy and his wife,Tamara, an automatic author and spiritual counsellor. They are the founders of Joy of Healing and are committed to helping all to achieve physical, emotional, and spiritual wellness. Theirs is a work to help mankind, not entertainment.
Janet Komanchuk, Thu 12 Jul, 21:37
Because of them I am alive and well, pain and prescription free. I had tried countless treatments and medications, both holistic and medical, to relieve the excruciating pain of fibromyalgia. Still the symptoms intensified. I was no longer able to teach. Caring for myself and my home was impossible. I was planning to spend what time I had left on this plain in agony in a nursing home when my uncle introduced me to this beautiful work.
Because of Andrew and Tamara and their family and spirit who heal, teach, and write through them I have my life back, renewed and full.
If this gets posted in time, I thought some might be interested in tonight’s “Signs of Life” radio broadcast from the Forever Family Foundation.
It’s every Thursday at 8 pm EST.
Tonight’s show is about what “heaven” might be like and they are featuring both Michael Tymn’s and Prof. Stafford Betty’s books.
Here’s tonight’s episode’s description:
“People from all cultures and beliefs have different thoughts on what life is like in the world beyond. Opinions have been formed based upon many different factors - religious or spiritual views, scientific research, and personal experience. Near death experiences, deathbed visions, and channeled accounts through mediums have many similarities in descriptions of the afterlife.”
Ron, Fri 6 Apr, 02:33
And I thought you were a hard-core skeptic. You’re at 99.9% on a good day and I have never been higher than 98.8%, where I stay on nearly all days. I doubt that I will ever achieve 99.9%.
I’m 96.4% David Thompson, but only 50% on reincarnation (as generally accepted), but 90% on reincarnation in a way that is beyond human comprension. But I’m only 12.5% on the Loch Ness Monster, even though I think I saw Nessie on a trip to Scotland some years ago.
Michael Tymn, Thu 5 Apr, 08:02
As “coincidence” would have it, I was just listening to Ray Kinman’s NDE (he was on Bio’s “I Survived - Beyond and Back”) and he also described a panic and being terrified when he first found himself in that new environment.
In the following interview he talks about how he, also, “boxed up” his experience. I wrote him to tell him how amazed I was that we used the same language there and elsewhere in his story (I can’t get into it here/now).
Ron, Thu 5 Apr, 02:53
Wow that is amazing stuff! I am sure you are are aware of Michael Prescott’s blog and maybe you already participate there but you would fit right in over there,as their are some on the blog that had similar experiences. I understand your past. I was raised Catholic, didn’t question my faith, went to a liberal arts college and was challenged and became a hardcore pseudo “scoftic”. Then my grandmother passed and looked into the evidence for life after death. First I was pretty convinced on an intellectual level and then started having my own experiences and strengthened my afterlife belief. Currently I am probably at 95%, it depends on the day. My skeptical side is still harborded in my subconscious and comes out every once in awhile. I really appreciate you sharing this information. This is the type fo story that a closed minded skeptic doesn’t see…they think anyone who is open to these experiences is credulous and was always a believer. They fail to see that many people were once agnostic or atheist and only came to accepting the evidence after personal experiences and studying the topic. Thanks again, as I know it isn’t always comfortable to tell your story to complete strangers on the internet but I think we are seeking and on excellent blogs like this for a reason. I for one don’t like to think of myself as a “meat robot”
Ray, Wed 4 Apr, 21:38
Hi Ron. Hopefully this isn’t asking too much but may I ask what personal proofs you have been given? It appears you are a skeptical believer such as myself so I would be most interested in your personal experiences if you would be so kind to share.
Ray, Fri 30 Mar, 13:14
There have been many experiences in my family… But because I have an insane ability to ramble on for pages, and because I can barely talk about myself without first talking about my Dad and all the stuff he was into when I was an infant (during which time I supposedly experienced many things, for most of which my memory is fuzzy), or my journey from being raised a fundamentalist Christianity to shedding every belief I once thought I had, I’ll try to cut it very short and say this:
At the peak of my hardcore agnosticism-bordering-on-atheism (I never called myself an atheist, but as far as I was concerned, I was 99.999% sure that when you were dead that was it), my father’s father, my Pappy, died on May 28, 2000. This was my first significant-significant death and it hit me like a freakin’ ton of bricks. He was the greatest man I’ve ever known and I mourned for a year, mostly to myself as my relationship with my family was close to nonexistent due to my having renounced the Christianity I was raised with.
And then, some time in late 2001 - possibly just before or after 9/11 - or even as late as early 2002 (*) - I had what I 7 years later learned to be what is called a “dream state ADC” with my Pappy.
(*) I often find my inability to remember the exact date to be one of the strangest things about the experience since I remember dates - but it’s evidence of just how successful I was in suppressing (but never forgetting!) the experience.
It was - and remains - the peak experience of my life. It was the “dream that’s not a dream.” I was calling it “hyper-real” and “realer than real” long before I discovered (when I read “Hello From Heaven!” in 2009) that there was something called an “ADC” and that others had had similar experiences and used the same language. It was a hyper-lucid experience and I was hyper-aware of what was happening - in fact, I was panicking in a major way because I had no idea what was happening to me. It was *this* consciousness that was experiencing this new environment - and I had no F***ing idea what was going on. I can only imagine that my panic must have been like what someone waking up from a mugging or in a hospital must feel like - that *jarring* discontinuity between living your life one second, and the next second being *thrust* into a strange world. I was basically terrified - at first. The colors (the greens and blues!) were not of this Earth - in fact, the colors were *alive* and communicated energy to me (that’s the best I can explain it). And they calmed me.
And then my Pappy showed up… He glowed from within and was surrounded by a white aura that - well, the best way I can describe it is that it looked like those pictures of the Sun’s corona during a full solar eclipse. And we communicated telepathically. I won’t go into the full communication, except to say that it really wasn’t a conversation, per se. It was more of a him showing me that he still existed, and my struggling to understand it. Besides the brief words that were exchanged, an emotion like I can’t even describe was imparted to me at one point when I asked, “How do I know this isn’t a trick?” (good old fundamentalist Christianity rearing its head!). In response to that question I got a blast of that emotion from him. I always poo-pooed talk of “unconditional love”, but that’s what I felt when he communicated the emotion to me - the emotion and the *knowledge* that he understood why I was afraid and was asking that question were both communicated to me. That’s the best I can explain it.
There was more to the experience but I’ll stop there. I don’t like writing about it because it make it feel cheapened in some weird way. I’ll talk about it if someone asks me in person (and very few have, and most don’t even know), but I don’t write about it. It was just a mind-blowing, “holy” (for lack of a better word) experience. And I had no idea what to do with it… So I boxed it up.
I put it in a box and ignored it - or tried to, I should say. The imagery I always use is that I put it in a box, “but it was a really huge box and it was in the center of my living room - so I always knew it was there.” But as long as I didn’t open the box, I didn’t have to relive the experience or process it and determine the implications.
Three days before my Dad died on 11/03/09, I had another experience with my Pappy. This one could be called a “shared-death experience” or perhaps a “shared death-bed vision at a distance”, I don’t know. It was another compelling dream (but nothing like the one I described above! nothing like it at all) where I was shown and it was communicated to me that my Pappy was ON HIS WAY (those words became an important part of the validation) to see my dying Dad. When I bolted out of bed it was 2:47 am. I was able to go back to sleep and told my wife the dream the next morning. Two days later I found out from my sister that she had learned that my father, who hadn’t spoken in over a week, started talking out loud to his dad (my Pappy) at 3 am the night I was having my dream.
So what do I do with that, right?
But since my Dad’s passing, no less than a dozen people in my extended family - my wife, my mother, siblings, cousins, my cousin’s kids, my FATHER-IN-LAW (who never knew my Dad), 2nd cousins, everyone but the mailman - have had an experience involving my father, sometimes in the accompaniment of my Pappy. They’ve pretty much run the gamut of every chapter in “Hello From Heaven!” - a daytime apparition (to my mother), feeling his touch and being hugged (again my mother), sensing his undeniable presence (a brother), hearing his voice, hearing his whistle, dreams - many dreams!, including some involving a cousin who received information about my family that he couldn’t have known - and then the real kickers (as if that wasn’t enough!) a dozen or so cigarette smoke experiences. My father was a life long smoker and died of lung cancer, so this would definitely be his calling card. The smoke experiences occurred at times and in places when there was NO WAY there could have been cigarette smoke or smoke of any kind.
I myself have had 2 dreams (again, not of the quality of that experience in 2001, but one which anyone less skeptical than myself would have said, “Dude! ADC! Not even symbolic! Pretty straight forward! Why are you doubting?!”, and a cigarette smoke experience when I was half asleep (and because I was half asleep I found a way to doubt it).
I said I wasn’t going to ramble and I did so anyway… Sorry.
Long-story-short: my skepticism has gone from being 99.999% convinced there was no survival of consciousness, to 99.999% acceptance that consciousness indeed survives. That remaining 0.001% is simply because I was such a hard-headed skeptic and agnostic that the skepticism dies hard in me. But as I’ve found out, I’m in good company with guys like Dr. Raymond Moody and Dr. Melvin Morse who also spent a long time not fully accepting the very information that they were spreading, information which helped so many others come to accept the idea of an “afterlife”. In Dr. Moody’s case, he said it was only 3 years ago that he finally gave up doubting, threw up his hands and said, “I really think there is an afterlife!”
Anyway, I’ve been “hit over the head” with alot of “hammers” (and some pretty big hammers at that!), but I keep asking for “just one more…” And then maybe I’ll fully accept it all? At the least, since I basically do already accept it, I would like to stop “speaking with qualifiers”. (“if this is all true…” being my favorite.)
Okay, now I’m really done rambling.
There. Now you all know something personal about me.
Ron, Wed 4 Apr, 01:11
Hi Ron. Hopefully this isn’t asking too much but may I ask what personal proofs you have been given? It appears you are a skeptical believer such as myself so I would be most interested in your personal experiences if you would be so kind to share.
Ray, Fri 30 Mar, 17:14
I appreciate your comments.
To answer some of your questions: yes, I think there is *MUCH* more the spirits could be doing to convince us that things are legit. I’m sorry, but I can not be convinced that centuries old spirits - spirits who were once human - spirits who have no participated in these demonstrations of physical mediumship countless times - can not come up with something better, after all this time, then floating cones and drumsticks.
And if I’m to believe the zip ties weren’t removed, then what are the spirits trying to communicate to us when “they” reverse Thompson’s sweater? It’s not adding up. What, are they teleporting Thompson to another dimension every single time, and then returning him - with his sweater reversed every single time? And if he is being teleported somewhere or dematerialized (and, really, what else are we to assume??), then why couldn’t we also assume that Thompson is conceivably one of the “spirits” moving around the room? (Although, if Thompson is being dematerialized/teleported - that’s a mind-blowing enough demonstration right there! I don’t care what he’s doing after that!)
Moreover, to clarify something I said in a previous post: I don’t want the zip ties numbered. Instead, I was proposing that large numbers be put on everyone’s forehead made out of the glow-in-the-dark strips or - better yet - a semi-permanent glow-in-the-dark ink. This way, at least the entire small circle of people could all watch each other! And if the ink isn’t so easily removed, it would be hard to commit fraud unless you physically covered your forehead - which is easy enough to do, so that’s why it would be important for everyone to account for all 10 or so people at all times; i.e. if David and his handlers are numbers 1, 2, 3, then make sure those numbers are visible at all times. Etc.
Along these lines of things that bothered my critical thinking filters: the radio. Thompson and his handlers use the excuse that electronic equipment (usually referring to night vision recorders) somehow disrupt the goings on. Yet it is PRECISELY A PIECE OF ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT (the radio or MP3 player) that they use to facilitate the entire demonstration! Huh??
Plus I’ve seen his trance demonstrations, and those bug me just like every other demonstration I’ve seen of a trance medium. They say nothing new or interesting, yet so many are wowed and floored and get all emotional and whatnot.
My Dad must be laughing at me from “the other side” at how critical I still am despite all the proofs I’ve been given…...
I don’t have a large axe to grind about Thompson. (Maybe just a small one…) My interest is ADCs and NDEs. I suspect mediums will always be in my “gray basket” - sometimes interesting, but for too often underwhelming and not worth my time.
Okay, that’s it for now.
Ron, Thu 29 Mar, 23:54
Study of paranormal activity is still in its infancy.
Yvonne, Thu 29 Mar, 17:47
If scientists can vehemently differ (sometimes being at polar opposities) in two opposing
camps regarding their evaluation and conclusions of so-called “hard evidence” of a “material” nature,just think how difficult it is for them or anyone else to come to an agreement about those things of a “spiritual” nature.
In addition, if with the paranormal we may be dealing with “intelligences” not of our material world, in my humble opinon, this complicates the matter even further. For all we know, these “intelligences” may be doing their very best under the circumstances to provide so-called “proof” to us… yet what is lacking to receive it may be on our end (whatever that may be).
Thank you for your comment, but I disagree. There was no doubt much fraud in physical mediumship 100 or so years ago, but I don’t think there was anywhere near as much as you and others think. Many legitmate mediums were written off as frauds because the researchers didn’t understand the phenomena. Also, much of it was unconscious activity by the medium interpreted by the researchers as fraud.
I believe that is one reason why physical mediumship declined. The spirit world had hoped to offer good evidence that a spirit world exists, but the world didn’t understand it and many good people were disparaged in the process.
Nor do I agree with your comment about baseball. Sure, just about anyone can play baseball, but only about one in a half million is gifted enough to make the major leagues. Baseball talent comes in many degrees, just as mediumship does. I’m sure there are many people who have some very basic mediumistic talents but don’t recognize it as such.
The same might be said of magicians. They vary significantly in degrees of skill. If a magician were to sit in with DT and proclaim him a genuine medium, the skeptics would simply say that he isn’t a good enough magician. No magician would be good enough for the skeptics until one said that DT is a charlatan.
Michael Tymn, Wed 28 Mar, 13:17
I have had the same questions as you have, as many other “believers” have had as well. I don’t think anyone has the answers and I’m pretty sure that science has no clue relative to materializations and de-materializations, as with the sweater. Therein is part of the problem – it is beyond current science. Science has never limited itself to what it knows. Otherwise, there would be no need for science to continue.
I have also wondered why the “spirits” don’t change their routine – why the same old sweater “trick”? But when you think about it, how many things can they possibly do in the confines of a small room to convince us? Beyond things floating around the room, the reversal of the sweater, voices, the medium ending up in a different spot, etc., what other “magic” might they perform?
The hypothesis of fraud appeals to the skeptic, but the really curious will seek to enlarge their knowledge of physical phenomena by considering all the points against it. Why do the same questions come up with other physical mediums? Are they all educated by the same magician? Why do the sweater “trick” at all when fraud is such an easy explanation for it? If DT were the only one producing such phenomena, I might be more skeptical, but there are and have been too many others producing similar phonemena. It is the cumulative evidence that convinces me. As I asked many times, why do we think spirit phenomena should conform to our limited intelligences? On the other side of the coin, why do we assume that the spirits are highly intelligent beings who would not participate in such tomfoolery? Is it really tomfoolery or is it just the best they are capable of under the limited circustances and limited abilities?
Michael Tymn, Wed 28 Mar, 05:33
If Thompson’s zip ties are not being removed, could someone please explain to me the “paranormal physics” that results in his sweater being reversed?
Hasn’t anyone found that one recurring part of all his demonstrations even the tiniest bit peculiar? To me, it is *so* peculiar as to arouse suspicion. I see no point in it other than to distract the audience with a “wow!” or something.
And why does he (bound in his chair) always end up ceremoniously dumped onto the center of the plywood?
Even if there are no shenanigans, I just don’t get why the spirits would include these two parts in his show.
Ron, Tue 27 Mar, 02:09
I think very few physical mediums have been authentic, because this particular field seems the most prone to fraud in the early psychic research. But it may have been some genuine physical mediums and some direct voice mediums.
On the other hand, I do not think the analogy of Babe Ruth to work, because baseball can practice almost anyone, but instead only very few people seem to be physical mediums, ie the difference between Ruth and me is simply quantitative, but the difference between Home and I is qualitative, why it is more difficult to accept physical mediumship as a human skills.
Finally I have not seen any session of David Thompson and do not know if is a fraud or not, but the sessions would have to be witnessed by a magician rather than a physical and be recorded by night vision camera.
Juan, Mon 26 Mar, 01:31
It is my understanding that David Thompson had only one “handler” with him during his recent California trip and that her hands were held the whole time as members of the circle held hands for the entire seance.
As Elene asks, do you think Thompson speaks Russian, Chinese, and Bangladeshi? As Jon has pointed out, the Russian did not amount to just a few words, but questions were answered in Russian. How does one who does not know Russian prepare for questions from a sitter he doesn’t know?
As Jon also states, he was sitting next to DT during his sitting and had the opportunity to check him throughout the sitting. Thus DT would have to jump back in his chair periodically.
Perhaps the zip ties should have been numbered beforehand, so that if DT was able to cut them off and put new ones on, then the new ones could have been checked. But I am sure that skeptics would then say that the person who numbered the zip ties was a confederate of some kind. I don’t think there is any way to convince people who have made up their minds that fraud is involved.
To quote William James: “One who takes part in a good sitting has usually a far livelier sense, both of the reality and of the importance of the communication, than one who merely reads the records. I am able, while still holding to all the lower principles of interpretation, to imagine the process as more complex, and to share the feelings with which Hodgson came at last to regard it after his many years of familiarity, the feeling which Professor Hyslop shares, and which most of those who have good sittings are promptly inspired with [i.e., the spirit hypothesis].”
Michael Tymn, Sat 24 Mar, 13:06
That was the question I was inquiring about.
I look forward to your blog post on it.
I was also asking the same question of your fellow White Crow Books blogger, Prof. Stafford Betty, about it here on his most recent blog post:
(In the above I also recount how I met and talked to Prof. Betty for hours at last year’s Afterlife Awareness Conference. This question really is a big one for me…)
As for Thompson, it won’t get anyone anywhere to get into a lengthy and possibly heated discussion about him and those who believe in him, so let me just say this:
In the descriptions, it’s said that the trumpet and drumsticks and other props all have glow strips on them so that the participants can see them zooming around the room. So it can *safely* be surmised that *clearly* sticky glow strips are not inhibitive to his mediumship.
With that in mind, let me propose this:
Every participant in the room - including Thompson and his handlers/helpers - all attach a glow strip number (i.e. a number formed out of glow strip tape) to their foreheads (preferably with Super Glue, but I suppose that’s not necessary) before the lights go out.
I’m no magician, and I’m sure there are a million ways I could still be fooled. But if I could see that all the “numbers” were accounted for at all times, and that they were always in their respective parts of the circle, then that might go a long way to convincing me that shenanigans aren’t going on with his handlers as soon as the lights go off and the music turns up…
Ron, Fri 23 Mar, 08:08
I totally fail to see how such phenomena as speaking in languages unknown to the medium can be considered “complete cold-reading b.s.”
I myself have been able on many occasions to give clear readings for my patients and others about matters that were unknown to me, including specific facts, not vague and fuzzy stuff. And I’m no great talent, that’s for sure. My level of ability is quite ordinary, and I know a good many people here in Albuquerque who can do the same or better. I have no problem whatsoever believing that the “Babe Ruths” of psychic and mediumistic ability can do far more than I can.
It’s entirely possible that at least some of those “very well known” mediums and channelers Ron has encountered are something other than great talents, and simply have good marketing. Some of the most impressive examples I’ve seen are known only in their own local circles and don’t have any desire to make big deals of themselves.
As for Thompson, Mike clearly enumerated the reasons why it isn’t plausible to believe that he is a fraud. Anyone who says he is must come up with explanations—real explanations, not the silly ones that have been advanced so far—of how he does what he is observed to do.
“Much of it is pictographic and requires an interpretation” is all too true in my experience. Often the images are extremely vivid, but I may not completely understand them until a bit later when I’ve had time to think about them more consciously.
Elene Gusch, Thu 22 Mar, 12:28
Hi Mike- I’d like to respond to Ron’s comment of Mar. 19th, 22:36. He claim’s that ideologically he’s always “the outsider” and has not yet seen a
paul biscop, Wed 21 Mar, 20:57
convincing demonstration of “psychic mediumship”.
I’m not entirely sure what he means by the latter
phrase, but I assume he means “evidential mediumship” aimed at proof of survival. I would suggest that Ron do some introspection; the skeptic’s special question, “can you stand to find out it’s all crap?”, so to speak, is useful to consider. But skeptics seldom turn the question
on themselves: how would you know proof if it slapped you in the face? Proof of survival of death is itself a profound anomaly, but it also
brings profound change. One cannot ever quite live
life the same again, and not everyone is fully prepared to do that. Indeed, real proof brings both an ideological and emotional revolution.
Has anyone sat with now retired Stewart Alexander? It seems like his “guides” had the same protocols for his seances. Quentin Crisp is a busy man in spirit because he apparently spoke at some of his seances as well. So there are one of 2 things going on here
1) Stewart Alexander and Thompson share professional notes on how to dupe the sitters al la camp chesterfield or
2) the similarities on the controls are almost identical because it’s the only way to make it work for these 2 mediums
The jury is still out for me if these similarities are reassuring or highly suspicious of fraud of the worst kind…a network of crooked mediums prying on the grief of others
Ray, Tue 20 Mar, 19:14
My experience at a Thomson séance was not like you describe. A room at a local healing centre was hired in a small town near White Plains. I and a few others helped put the room together, by clearing out some furniture, blacking out the windows and putting plywood on the floor so we would hear any movement.. Another sitter ‘K’ bought the chair.
David showed up an hour or so later. He sat outside; and took in some sun. He didn’t appear to have anything with him apart from a pack of cigarettes.
The sitters searched him, and his assistants and the other sitters were searched. 2 sitters volunteered to tie him to the chair, and we checked what’s they’d done. I was taking to one of the sitters who put the ties on. Once they were tightened, they were cut off, so if somehow he could get out of them, he wouldn’t be able to easily get back into them or replace them. Also, one of the sitters who checked the ties placed the clippings (a bit like you place a hair over a door to see it it’s moved) round Thompson’s feet in certain positions. Throughout the séance Thompson was checked (I checked him myself) the clipping remained where they were throughout the séance and could be seen when red light was on.
His 2 assistants had nothing to do with any of this and they had no access to him during the séance as they were holding hands with other sitters.
When the séance finished, as often is the case, Thompson was still strapped into his chair but in another part of the room The cardigan he was wearing was now on back to front, and he was still strapped in with the same ties. (cut)
The sitter who cut the ties then was asked to cut them David out of his ties. (There was 8-10 of them)
For me it was an amazing experience and baffling. The Russian voice was obviously personal and it’s hard to fathom how anyone could do that by normal methods. Someone later said, “maybe Thompson checked out your partner and learned a few words of Russian.’ Of course that is possible, but the voice didn’t just speak a few random words of Russian it answered a question which is a very different scenario.
Is it possible Thompson had us checked out while we were in England, and he was in Australia, and could he have learned enough Russian especially for the occasion?
Dark séances are not really satisfactory, but in the history of this subject, darkness does seem to be a factor in physical phenomena, and like D.D. Home, a lot of people have sat with Thompson and believed and not believed, been over whelmed and under whelmed, but as far as I’m aware he hasn’t been caught cheating yet.
Victor Zammit has sat with him more that 70 times since he has been in Australia. Could David have deceived him more than 70 times — possibly, but when one gets personal specific information, which Victor and others say they’ve had, it’s hard to argue with.
However, from personal experience — mental mediumship has been much more revealing to me, because of the information I’ve received has been more informative than flying trumpets will ever be.
Jon, Tue 20 Mar, 14:49
Thompson’s seances are closely supervised by an associate who remains in the room at all times. This associate secures the medium to his chair, instructs the sitters not to grab the spirits, turns on the music to “raise the energy level” (or perhaps to cover suspicious sounds?), etc. As long as a close confederate of the medium is controlling the venue, securing the zip ties, and moving around unrestricted in the pitch dark room, it’s impossible to rule out some kind of trickery.
I’m not insisting that trickery is going on, but if these experiments are to be convincing to those of us who have not personally participated in them, much better precautions against fraud have to be taken. I’d suggest two simple steps: 1) make sure no one associated with the medium is present before or during the seance; and 2) hire an escape artist to secure the medium and monitor his presence in the chair throughout the session.
Who wants to bet that Thompson’s spirit guides will veto these suggestions?
Michael Prescott, Tue 20 Mar, 11:19
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