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Best Evidence of the Communion of Saints & Sinners and Resurrection of the Body

Posted on 13 January 2025, 8:01

This is the final part of the deposition of Vice-Admiral William Usborne Moore, as explained in my blog of December 16 and continued on December 30.  While Moore sat with dozens of gifted mediums in England and the United States, Etta Wriedt of Detroit, Michigan (below) may have been the most gifted.  Moore’s third book, The Voices, published in 1913, dealt solely with her mediumship.  He visited her in the United States during 1909 and 1911,  and then further observed her during 1912 and 1913 when she visited England.

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Admiral Moore, I know that Etta Wriedt really impressed you.  Please tell a little of your experiences with her.

“My experiences with this wonderful medium in 1909 were insignificant compared with my third visit to America.  All my relatives that I wished to hear from spoke to me at some time or the other, touching upon all sorts of subjects of family interest.  Iola talked daily at considerable length, often standing before me, a radiant figure in white garments but features invisible, clearly enunciating her sentences in pure English.  …Mrs. Wriedt speaks Yankee; English was not spoken by any spirit friends of American sitters.  Most of my sitting were with the psychic alone, when Iola would manifest and explain matters which happened as much as fifty years ago….During my investigations into the phenomena of spiritism, I have never met with anyone whose mediumship has brought me so close to the next state of consciousness as Mrs. Wriedt.”

What type of phenomena did you witness with Mrs. Wriedt?”

“…The phenomena that occur are etherealizations and the direct voice through the trumpet; the former are more rare than the latter.  It is possible to hear the voices through the trumpet in broad daylight or gaslight; but the operation is slow and unsatisfactory, and the investigator will find it best to sit in total darkness…She does not fall into a trance, and often joins in the conversation going on between the sitter and the spirit visitor; she speaks sometimes at the same instant as her control or the other spirits…I have heard three [spirit] voices talking at once, one in each ear and one through the trumpet, sometimes two in the trumpet…I cannot recall one single circumstance which led me to form any suspicion as to her integrity, though I was on the alert throughout.  In that quiet room at Detroit, I have heard, through the trumpet, the sounds of expression of nearly every human emotion except anger.  Laughter, sighs, and utterances of disappointment were common.  Taking it altogether, I have never been present at such realistic séances; in fact, I often forgot that I was conversing with those whom we ignorantly speak of as ‘the dead.’”

Will you explain Mrs. Wriedt’s spirit control

“Mrs. Wriedt is [usually] controlled by Dr. John Sharp, who was born in Glasgow in the eighteenth century, lived all his life in the United States as an apothecary farmer, and died in Evansville, Indiana. He states that he was taken over to America by his parents when he was two months old. I have never known him say an unkind word, nor express any feeling but benevolences and desire to assist all who seek the help of his medium. He frequently straightens out obscure messages, and invariably endeavours to manage the sittings to the best advantage of those present. Very often he talks what, in a mortal, I should call nonsense; but I think he is limited in expression –in some curious way – by the absence of any sort of culture in his medium.” He explained that Grayfeather and John King also controlled at times.

You recorded that many languages came through Mrs. Wriedt.  Please tell us about this.

“[Yes,] many languages were spoken by discarnate spirits; Mrs. Wriedt is unacquainted with any language except Yankee.  A good instance of this [involved] the daughter in spirit life [speaking] English to her brother in earth life; both son and daughter were educated to speak Dutch, English, and French with equal facility. One day an aunt and friend from Holland accompany [a sitter] to Cambridge House [for a sitting with Mrs. Wriedt]. The same spirit speaks to those ladies in Dutch, and the husbands, in spirit life of the aunt friend converse with their wives in their own language.  As regards [other foreign languages] we have the evidence of M. Chedo Miyatovich, formerly Servian Minister at the Courts of Queen Victoria and King Edward VII, that German, Servian, and Croatian were spoken during the sittings with Mrs. Wriedt.”

You reported that William T. Stead, the famous British journalist who was on his way to give a lecture at Carnegie Hall when he went down with the Titanic on April 14, 1912, communicated.  As I understand it, Mrs. Wriedt was to accompany Mr. Stead on his return trip to England.  She made the trip alone and stayed at Mr. Stead’s home with Stead’s daughter, Estelle.  Please tell a little of this experience.

“The first appearance of W. T. Stead at Cambridge House, Wimbledon, his country residence when in life, was at 11:30 a.m., May 6 [1912], when I was sitting in the dark alone with Mrs. Wriedt…On the same evening a meeting of Julia’s Circle (the name given by Stead to his mediumship circle) was organized to welcome Mrs. Wriedt; it was attended by Miss Stead.  The first spirit that manifested was Cardinal Newman, who recited a Latin benediction; Dr. Sharp made himself known in a loud, clear voice. Grayfeather followed; then Mr. Stead; he was followed by the son of two of the sitters and by Iola.  Finally, Mr. Stead came again.  The séance lasted one hour and a quarter, and was replete with incident.  The voice of the Cardinal was heard the instant the lights were put out.  At least forty minutes were taken up by Stead talking to his daughter.  I could not help hearing every word.  It was the most painful and, at the same time, the most realistic convincing conversation I have ever heard during my investigations.  The first time he came it was chiefly to give directions to his daughter as to the disposal of his private papers.  Miss Estelle was, naturally, much agitated, and her grief at last reacted upon her father, who uttered a lout shout, ‘Oh my God!’ and dropped the trumpet, which fell to the floor with a crash.  The second visit, which was at the end of the séance, was a calmer manifestation; this time the speaker was much assisted by Dr. Sharp, who sometimes interpreted what he wanted to say…I may mention that Stead’s talk on every occasion that he came was characteristic of him.  Nobody who heard it and who had enjoyed the privilege of knowing him in life could doubt that he was before us.” 

Please give us some information that came through involving yourself.

“[Certainly.]  When I was a boy, a family tangle took place which puzzled me very much.  Up to this time [(1911] I had not even suspected the real truth.  My guide (Iola), in the course of four or five interviews, solved the enigma, and brought three witnesses from spirit life who spoke at some length to prove that she was right.  Dates were given and motives explained.  I possessed just sufficient knowledge of what had taken place at that time to be able to assure myself – now that the light was thrown upon certain incidents – that all they said was true.  No one living knows anything about it except myself; but I am certain that the explanation, given with great earnestness and wealth of detail, by these visitants from the next state of consciousness is the correct one.”   

I take it that you see all of Mrs. Wriedt’s mediumship as beyond trickery?

“Mrs. Wriedt’s seances are self-convincing.  There is no necessity to tie her up, or gag her, or torture her in the various silly ways adopted by pseudo-scientists. She can only speak one language – Yankee. She is physically incapable of enunciating pure English or the jargon of the Red Man. No sane person could suspect her for one moment to be personating Iola, Grayfeather, or any of my English spirit visitors.” 

Many have asked what the good of it all is.  How do you reply to them?

“Is there any word in church teaching which leads one to believe or to suppose that our departed friends are in our proximity, and able to communicate with us? The Apostles Creed has, ‘I believe in the Communion of Saints – the Resurrection of the body and the life everlasting.’ The Nicene Creed, whose antecedents are far more satisfactory, says nothing of the Communion of Saints, and winds up with: ‘And I look for the Resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.”  But where do we find any kind of communion of sinners, or of a spirit life around us; a state of consciousness as real as that in which we live; a region inhabited by those we knew and, in some cases, loved, when they functioned on the earth plane? It is reserved for spiritism to teach of communion with those who precede us into the next life, and the good that can be achieved, not only by the spirits of the dead communing with us, but by out communing with them. It is not in the Anglican or Roman Church that any consolation will be found for those who are bereaved.”

But then the question becomes why God or whoever or whatever is behind all this does not provide much more clear-cut evidence – evidence without all the mystery and controversy?

“It is not in the public interest that such revolutionary facts should be easily believed.  Imagine what would happen if all the inhabitants of the British Isles were suddenly to come to the knowledge of what is in store for them, and how near to them are the relations they have loved and lost.  Hosts of men and women would be running to mediums, and leaving their legitimate occupations for the excitement of the séance-room.  Misery and hopeless destitution is the unhappy lot of hundreds of thousands in this country. They cannot – in their opinion – be worse off than they are; why not cut the slender cord which binds them to their present life, and risk the evils of the next, with hope of reaching a state of happiness hereafter? No! Nature abhors these sudden earthquakes in the continuity of evolutionary changes.”

Thank you, Admiral Moore. Do you have parting thoughts to share with us?

“[Let me end with this.] Another good in spiritism is that it induces a calm and equable frame of mind, devoid of dogma, devoid of excessive ambition, or worry of any sort.  A man acquires an inward conviction that nothing matters very much; this life is only a short disciplinary journey, which will assuredly lead to a better one if he does his best where he finds himself placed, and exercises sympathy and charity…To the spiritist death is no evil and is not feared, for he knows if he keeps himself in order he will be much better off on the other side.  It is astonishing what unanimity there is among the spirits who are interrogated on this point. None wish to return; all I have seen or heard declare that their only cause for sorrow is the grief of those they have left behind.”

Michael Tymn is the author of The Afterlife Revealed: What Happens After We Die, Resurrecting Leonora Piper: How Science Discovered the Afterlife, and Dead Men Talking: Afterlife Communication from World War I.
His latest book, No One Really Dies: 25 Reasons to Believe in an Afterlife is published by White Crow books.

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David,
I am going to try a writing exercise this morning and respond to Cora Richman’s speaker’s discourse on “truth.”

Yes, but isn’t there a fine line between truth and belief?  That is to say that one’s truth is only what one believes to be true at the moment.  And one’s decided truth can be another’s tentative belief.  Tomorrow what one believed to have been truth, will be proved to have been a falsity.  We all live in a world of beliefs; beliefs, hypotheses and theories about that we think to be true.  Truth is only true for the one who believes it to be true.  People can pontificate about what is true but sometimes, maybe most of the time, what is true is only true “for a while”  Is it true that the sun will come up tomorrow?  Well, yes, probably, but there will be a time when that is not true; when the sun will explode and that will be the end of things on Earth.  Is it true that water freezes at 32 degrees Fahrenheit?  Well, yes but that truth is determined by the culture that concocted some temperature scale and there are other temperature scales that determine a different freezing point of water.  So, exactly what is the truth about when water freezes.

Truth is a construct of the one seeking it.  And as Max Plank, German theoretical physicist and Nobel prize winner is reported to have said,  “Science [truth] progresses one funeral at a time.”  Meaning, of course, that old truths die with the people who promoted and believed in them.  - AOD

Amos Oliver Doyle, Fri 17 Jan, 15:20

Michael,
I was remiss in explaining the quote from Light.
William Stead boarded the Titanic for a visit to the United States to take part in a peace congress at Carnegie Hall at the request of President William Howard Taft.
W. de Kerlor had warned him of the danger. De Kerlor was married to Isadore Duncan
William’s spirit returned very soon after his death as Mrs. Wriedt had arrived in England and stayed with William’s widow. This quote was from the person who had warned him.
My dear Mr. de Kerlor,— My dear boy, forgive me for not having taken heed of the predictions and warnings you gave me.
However, do we trust Mr de Kerlor’s statements? (You know mediums often embellish quotes)
Mr. de Kerlor says he told Mr. Stead of this dream, and that the last time when approached —over the ’phone—by Mr. Stead, he had the same tale to tell, and the black ship meant limitations, difficulties and death. Mr. Stead replied:—“Oh, yes; well, well, you are a very gloomy prophet, good-bye,” and rang off. I give the facts, and add that as I have carefully gone over the shorthand report of interviews in September, Mr. de Kerlor did not prophesy death at 63 or death by drowning, although it is probable he thought so, having the foregoing in his mind, when at the Wriedt seance.
The full story is best read on the Internet Archive
Has W. T. Stead Returned? by James Coates page 99.and p180.
(David might like the Cora reference on p 67)
Thanks,
Bruce

Bruce, Fri 17 Jan, 12:04

Michael,

Admiral Moore tells us through Etta Wriedt, “Misery and hopeless destitution is the unhappy lot of hundreds of thousands in this country. They cannot – in their opinion – be worse off than they are; why not cut the slender cord which binds them to their present life, and risk the evils of the next, with hope of reaching a state of happiness hereafter? No! Nature abhors these sudden earthquakes in the continuity of evolutionary changes.”

I think these words should be a warning to us. They tell us that relatively few are ready for this good news—especially, perhaps, materialists. Do materialists do our planet a service by contradicting the good news we seek so avidly to share with the world? I have worried a little about sharing it with my followers on TikTok. Might I have carried off some soul before their work on earth was done? Have I been careful enough when I warn in my videos that a happy afterlife is not a birthright, or should I say deathright, of us all and that we are responsible for the damage we do? The afterworld, we are told, can be extremely unpleasant. I remind my followers of this and hope the warning will deter a too-hasty exit. 

Stafford

Stafford, Fri 17 Jan, 11:53

Michael poses the question to Admiral Moore “Many have asked what the good of it all is.” In a talk given in London in 1873 through Cora L. V. Tappan (later Richmond), the speaker answers this question of what communion with spirits is good for thusly:

“The first and last—the primal answer, in our opinion, should be, “It is true.” The sum-total of human life and of human thought should be builded upon the one proposition—“Is it true?” not, will it promote my individual happiness, or will it favor my special projects, or develop a gold mine, or will it run a steam-engine, discover a new planet, make a new religion, or a new society? but simply, fundamentally, finally, “Is it true?”…But we are very sorry to say that truth, when it enters the world, is met on both sides with opposition. Therefore truth has ever been like a two-edged sword cutting backwards and forwards—backwards into prejudice, superstition, and ignorance; forwards into discovery and prophecy; and it seems to be the last question that the human inquirer considers, as to whether a thing has merit because of its being true.”

David Chilstrom, Fri 17 Jan, 04:45

Michael,
I like articles where the observer of a medium is another medium. Mediums judge other mediums (sometimes harshly) but are often careful observers and their insights are interesting. 
  The Voices book (a sequel to ‘Glimpses of the next state) by Vice-Admiral W. Usborne Moore refers to articles in the spiritualist magazine Light. One such article was the following:
  Article in the Light 6 July 1912
  MR. W. T. STEAD SPEAKS AT WIMBLEDON.
  On Tuesday, June 18th, at Julia’s Bureau, Wimbledon, I sat at one of the most convincing séances which it has been my lot to attend during the last ten years. The medium was Mrs. Wriedt. She is an unassuming woman of middle age, of a rather bilious-nervous temperament. Her head seems to be quite clear, and her judgment well balanced. Not at all eager to impress people with her psychic powers, she is earnest, natural in manner and speech, and heart and soul in her work. She has a strongly characteristic American twang, which, taken seriously into consideration, leaves no room whatever for those critics who tax her with powers of ventriloquism. Her hand-shake is unflinching and firm, although somewhat cold.
  Mr Stead’s spirit said “Mr. de Kerlor, did tell me, and was the only one to prophesy to me coming death, troubles, disaster, drowning, and saw me surrounded by coffins and dead bodies, and I regret so much that I did not give more attention to his predictions of last September. I did not like to hear them at the time, but they have proved right in all details.”
  After a whole week of careful thought, taking into consideration the fact that at least twenty-five materialised voices of spirits were heard through the trumpet, most of them well known to the sitters, and that a great many of them spoke in languages entirely beyond the ken of the medium and of many of those present ; also, the display of spirit lights preceding the voice materialisations, the audible fact that Mr. Stead’s trumpet turned away from me to address each one individually and came back again to speak to Miss Harper, sitting on my left; the inflexions in the voices, the clearness of tones in some and the obstructions in others, the many instances when the medium’s voice was heard speaking or singing while the spirits were com. niunicating with the sitters—taking all these things into earnest consideration, I can entertain no doubt whatsoever that I have assisted at a most complete and instructive demonstration of spirit return. There could not have been a more convincing proof of the reality of life after death.
  W. de Kerlor
Thanks
Bruce

Bruce, Wed 15 Jan, 09:33

Amos,
Thanks for sharing.  Very interesting, especially the tranformation to trance and coming out of it.

Michael

Micheal, Wed 15 Jan, 08:50

Here is a precipitated painting of Dr. John Sharp, Mrs. Wriedt’s main control.  The painting was produced by the Bangs sisters and is on display at Camp Chesterfield, Indiana.  - AOD

https://indianamemory.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/CampChesterfield/id/7766/

Amos Oliver Doyle, Mon 13 Jan, 15:11


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Mackenzie King, London Mediums, Richard Wagner, and Adolf Hitler by Anton Wagner, PhD. – Besides Etta Wriedt in Detroit and Helen Lambert, Eileen Garrett and the Carringtons in New York, London was the major nucleus for King’s “psychic friends.” In his letter to Lambert describing his 1936 European tour, he informed her that “When in London, I met many friends of yours: Miss Lind af Hageby, [the author and psychic researcher] Stanley De Brath, and many others. Read here
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